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April 1, 2015 Haze Categories: General News. 11 Comments on Making Your Ears Bleed

April 1st is typically about making your brain hurt with ridiculous concepts and fake news. This year I’ve decided that instead of hurting your brain I’m going to hurt your ears with some very preliminary sound emulation.

The Hyper NeoGeo 64 is a system we’ve never quite got to grips with, it’s a difficult emulation target on several levels, and even the sound system is an unusual setup; a DSP found on a fairly expensive synth, driven by an NEC V53A processor (the synth also uses a V53 interestingly)

Over the last few weeks I’ve been looking at the V53 side of things. A V53 is a V33 with added onboard peripherals, and as it happens those peripherals are basically NEC equivalents / modified versions of a typical PC chipset (DMA controllers, Serial controllers, and an Interrupt controller). Luckily with all the advancements in PC emulation in the MESS side of the project, all of those components are now emulated, so I was able to create a new CPU type and hook them up to it.

With the peripherals and their associated/configured ports identified and hooked up the remaining ports on the sound CPU stuck out more, and things like the ROM banking were immediately more obvious; fixing that up improved the flow of the V53 code dramatically. I’m actually unclear why they even need it, they had 2MB of sound program RAM for the V53 program and data structures, but no game uses even close to that, in fact, everything that is uploaded could have easily fit into the standard V53 address space with no banking at all. It looks like earlier in the design of the system they’d planned for 4MB of sound program RAM too, as there is an unmapped 2Mb space below the sound program on the MIPS side (if you map it then Xrally gets confused) and all bank addresses on the V53 side have the highest bit set.

Anyway, despite configuring various devices, I’m not entirely sure the system makes use of the serial functionality (although there’s clearly an interrupt associated with it) and all it ever seems to DMA is a buffer of 0x00 data from RAM. Maybe I’ll find out what these are for later, maybe, like so many things on the system, they were simply underused, or even unused.

Kale hooked up the 2 way communication ports between the MIPS and the V53 (surprisingly they didn’t just use the shared RAM) and also an interrupt on the V53 side that appears related to those ports, and for most of the games we started to see communication across the CPUs, commands being sent when sounds were trigger etc.

During the whole process described above a lot of code was refactored in preparation for more work.

With all that in place I then hooked what I’d earlier identified as writes to the sound chip to a new placeholder sound core, triggering some very rough sample playable. I took what seemed to be the sample start address, and set up the code so that it would play 0x2000 bytes of samples at that position for each request. What that resulted in can be seen / heard in the video below.

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Of course, this sounds TERRIBLE. The PCM data format I’m using is wrong (it seems to be some kind of 8/16-bit hybrid format rather than plain signed 8-bit PCM) and there’s no concept at all of sample length, so some samples are cut off (Final Round) and others play for too long, resulting in garbage sounds, or unwanted extra bits of voice clips (Round 1,2) instead of Round 1 etc.

However, as terrible as it sounds, the first time you hear sound in something is a very special moment, so I decided it was worth preserving in a video. People have said that I don’t post enough ‘Work in Progress’ news pieces here these days, so here it is, as raw and ugly as it comes.

There’s still a long way to go with emulating the Hyper NeoGeo 64 to any good level, I did make some fixes to the texture rendering on Xtreme Rally (billboards etc.) a few weeks ago, but the 3D is still a flickery mess there because we don’t fully understand the 3D buffering techniques. The floor on Fatal Fury still needs hooking up again (I have some ideas) The network CPU needs emulating properly (otherwise Roads Edge is broken even if you force it to go ingame) Priorities and mixing need handling properly (I imagine that will hide a lot of the garbage sprites and layers you see at the moment) Sprite zoom needs fixing, Mosaic effects need adding, 3D colours and texturing still needs further fixing, 3D projection needs fixing in some cases (very obvious on the letterboxed Fatal Fury intro where it clearly attempts to project to full-screen instead of the letterboxed area) The 3D needs threading out to improve performance, and even the I/O is still an issue because the I/O mcus are not dumped, and the exact communication protocol isn’t understood meaning we’re relying on hacks to get any inputs at all.

As you can see, there’s a huge list of things that still need doing here, but, every little step is important with this driver, so finally being able to hear something is very significant, even if you’re not going to be able to tolerate it for more than a few seconds.

Some of the tasks are remarkably difficult, the network CPU is a truly insane Z80 based chip, with many opcodes only taking a single cycle, and a complex MMU system slapped on for good measure, to make things worse, the only documentation is in Japanese. The I/O MCU problem we can’t do anything about, we have no way to dump them, so it’s going to reqiure painstaking simulation code. Understanding a lot of the video registers is also going to take time, and maybe even hardware tests, because so many features are barely used.


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Thank you thank you so much for this great news you dont give up haze lol i hope you start by racing games

haze is master of emulation arcade lol

Hi Haze! But never we will see any progress also for konami viper games emulation in the next future?

@press start Glorious PC Master Race. :D

I may be of help with some bits of the Japanese documentation, but only some parts of it as I barely have spare time, also, I’m just a N3 Japanese speaker. If you are interested drop me a mail, although surely it would be a better decision to put it in some online google document where anyone could collaborate.

MCU dump not possible. Would decapping help?

it’s about time for audio video games

Hi Haze,
have you seen this news : http://blog.system11.org/?p=1442

At last, a hack “useful” !


please donĀ“t had this bleed sound on recent mame “r” versions untill is fixed.

Any new video to compare the current one with latest GIT commit?

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